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MEETING MINUTES
Order of the Phoenix
Institute of Sophie's Supporters (formerly the 'Junior Auxiliary')

Date: 8 April 1996
Location: 12 Grimmauld

Order Members Present: Sirius Black, Minerva McGonagall, Poppy Pomfrey, Pomona Sprout, Alice Longbottom, Frank Longbottom, Fred Weasley, George Weasley, Molly Weasley, Dora Tonks, Charlie Weasley, Bill Weasley, Lee Jordan, Severus Snape, Remus Lupin, Hermione Granger, Terry Boot.

Order Members Absent: Arabella Scrim, Kingsley Shacklebolt, Albus Dumbledore, Walden Macnair, Dorcas Meadows, Caradoc Dearborn, Stephen McGivern, Nick Towler, Rhymes with Rudy.

ISS Members Present: Hermione Granger, Terry Boot, Luna Lovegood, Fred Weasley, George Weasley, Ron Weasley, Sally-Anne Perks, Pansy Parkinson, Justin Finch-Fletchley, Neville Longbottom, Evelyn Longbottom, Susan Bones.

ISS Members Absent: Hydra Lestrange, Harry Potter.

REVIEW OF PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES:
Skipped, because we don't wish to offer a complete airing of our organisational dirty laundry until we've properly sworn the lot of them in.

TREASURER'S REPORT:
Skipped; too much potential dirty laundry.

AGENDA:
Alice welcomed our visitors and explained the primary purpose of our meeting today: to answer their questions, to offer them some information and some help, and to see if they had any specific ideas about help they might need.

1. Naming their organisation.

Alice started by saying she'd like to know what they call themselves so that we can call them by their proper name when we talk about them.

Evelyn said that perhaps we should call them 'Sophie's Army.' Pansy Parkinson objected to this on the grounds that Sophie's Army is a larger group. Sally-Anne Perks suggested that we call them the Institute of Sophie's Supporters, which sounded ludicrously awkward to me but for some reason the Juniors, which I suppose I now need to start calling the Institute, seemed to think it was an excellent name.

Minerva asked whether they had any other members ('hiding anyone under your cloak,' I think is how she put it) and they all looked thoroughly uncomfortable; Alice gently suggested that as we weren't volunteering a great deal of information about absent members of our own group it was a bit unfair to demand information about theirs. Perhaps they had a member with privacy concerns like Rudy's? But, she added, we do know about Harry and Hydra, obviously.

Hermione said she thought it was good for us to know who they are, so that in an emergency we know who to try to get out, and so we should know they're planning to add Draco Malfoy soon. There was a moment of silence; I imagine they were waiting to see if we objected. There were some noises of concern from the Order; Sirius said that Draco's kept his secrets so far, and he imagines him to be trustworthy, and that seemed to make them relax a bit.

2. Safety planning.

Bill spoke first about portkeys. Currently, the only way to get a portkey is through the Ministry. We've been trying to get information about what they did with the arithmantical routing algorithms, or failing that to work them out ourselves, but with no success so far. Which is why we've been working to teach them apparation.

Poppy broke in to tell them that she's staying quite close to Hogwarts, on a farm owned by a friend, and should they need to flee and can't reach a floo, that would be a safe first place to come, and apparation should be relatively easy since it's such a short trip. (Alternately, they could simply walk there, if they can avoid being seen; it's not very far.) Her friend, Tilda, is not in the Order, but Poppy considers her very trustworthy. Tilda will be out all day at least once this coming week, and we'll send the juniors Institute by floo so they'll know where they're going. ('Close' isn't very helpful if it's also completely unfamiliar.)

We reiterated that at Hogwarts, they can safely trust Pomona (obviously, since she was sitting right there -- er, was it my imagination, or did they look completely unsurprised to see her?), Milland, and Brutka.

Perks asked about Aurora Sinistra, adding that for a while she thought Professor Sinistra was one of the 'wand-smugglers.'

Pomona said that no, Professor Sinistra was not one of us, and added that if absolutely necessary -- in a situation of dire need, if one of them is in trouble and unable to get to a known Order member -- they could certainly do worse than trusting Aurora. But she shouldn't be their first choice.

Poppy said, 'I think she'd let you use her floo. But you should let us know, and we'll send someone to offer her memory modification.' There were some murmurs (sorry, Bill) and I added that we're not saying we'd Obliviate her without her consent -- however, given the company she keeps on a regular basis she might actually prefer to have no memory of it.

The Institute exchanged some dire looks that I couldn't quite unravel and we moved on.

3. Food and potions.

Molly let them know about the food supplements Poppy and Pomona put together to keep their health sound, and the plan to pass some non-perishable food by way of Severus and Pomona. They assured us they had a place to store things like this, and in fact they smuggled in a large supply of food after that last Hogsmeade weekend.

Poppy asked if Perks was low on any of the potions she'd left with her, and Perks said that she was not. However, she did note that Stephen Capper was in a rather bad way due to anxiety about OWLs, and she didn't have calming potions or sleeping draughts. Poppy asked if he couldn't go to Healer Kerr, and Perks said that Kerr tells Umbridge everything and Capper was afraid that Umbridge would find some excuse to make his life even harder, if he asked for a sleeping potion, which unfortunately is probably a legitimate concern.

Poppy said she'd think on it and we moved on. Oh, but that did remind us about Perks' predicament, given that it was the calming tea she was making for Capper that provoked Umbridge's punishment. Severus will tutor her in potions when they return to school; no one needs to steal potions ingredients for her to practise with. For some reason a few of her peers seemed mildly disappointed. There seems to be a tendency among Weasleys to welcome a moral justification for creating certain kinds of mischief.

4. Thomas Capper.

Evelyn said that she'd been thinking about the portkey problem and she wanted us to know that Thomas Capper was absolutely brilliant at Arithmancy, even if he wasn't much use at anything else, and if we could get him out of the camps he could almost certainly work out the adjustment that had been made to the charm, and we'd be able to make portkeys again.

I think they probably suspected the news wasn't good when we all fell silent and looked at Alice. Alice gave them the bad news. They took it stoically enough, although clearly they'd hoped Umbridge's cruelty to Stephen was a lie.

Poppy added, 'Speaking of lies we tell, for good reasons or bad, Miss Perks, we should tell you that the little boy with the measles didn't actually die.'

Perks said, 'You mean Jason Baker?'

Poppy said, 'Yes. When we take a muggleborn baby, we usually arrange things so that everyone other than the baby's parents thinks the baby died. It's safest that way. Jason Baker is alive and well at one of our sanctuaries.'

Perks stood up and left the room, followed by Parkinson and Ron, and we took a short break. Molly made tea and brought out some biscuits. When they returned, we reconvened and moved on to Umbridge.

5. Dolores Umbridge.

The Institute wanted to give us a rundown of her many offenses. This went on for a while. I don't think there was anything we heard that was news to us -- oh, apparently the confiscated care packages aren't thrown out, they're eaten by her favoured students. I'm not sure we knew that with certainty.

Alice asked if they had any ideas for removing her.

Ron said, 'Feed her to the giant squid,' and there were a number of glum nods. Alice said that she hoped they weren't thinking of any direct action along those lines, as suspicion would surely focus within the school, and too many people are hiding in plain sight. Dora added that MLE might catch the perpetrator, if someone killed her, and Poppy chimed in to emphasize that Umbridge was not worth getting sent to Azkaban or the camps for, 'unless you find yourself in mortal danger at her hands.'

Parkinson noted that Harry had told them that the reason none of the Death Eaters ('Council Members') at the school had killed Umbridge was that she had some information on Rabastan Lestrange and was using it for blackmail. She suggested that if we could work out what that information was, and find a way to clear Lestrange's name, the Umbridge problem would likely be solved very quickly. (She added that Malfoy -- 'Lucius' -- didn't like her any more than we did, nor did 'Professor' Dolohov.)

Perhaps we didn't look sufficiently surprised, because she quickly turned from offering information to soliciting it. What was the information being held over Lestrange's head? With some hesitation, Pomona told them that it involved accusations from a young woman and declined to elaborate.

Perks asked rather abruptly whether it was the Order that killed Healer Stint. Sirius told her that it wasn't; we certainly didn't grieve his mysterious disappearance, but we didn't have anything to do with it, either. Apparently we weren't his only enemies.

I said that while I could certainly understand the appeal of having Death Eaters take care of the dirty work, I wanted to strongly recommend against the Institute getting overly involved in Rabastan Lestrange's business. He might be amiable, he might seem friendly, but he's an extremely dangerous man. Dolohov, even more so. Don't trust him. Not ever. You could use Aurora's fire in a pinch, to escape Hogwarts, but for Merlins' sake don't make the mistake of thinking you could ever use Dolohov's. Not even if you think he likes you. Not even if you're right that he likes you. The man's a snake -- well, maybe that was not the best comparison to use in a room with three Slytherins (eh, Severus?).

I probably should have shut up about Dolohov a minute or two before I did, but it was the way they were looking at me. Teenagers. They just -- argh. Anyway, Bill and Molly were having a side conversation and George said, 'I think we should just tell them, no matter what Dad said,' and looked at Alice. And Alice said it was up to the Weasleys whether to share that bit of information or not.

So Fred looked at Ron and said, 'Professor Dolohov is the one that killed Mum's brothers.'

Molly started crying, and Bill looked furious, and George said, 'the whole point of this meeting was to share information, wasn't it?' and the Institute looked ... I'm not even sure.

At any rate it was late so we adjourned. I'm not sure whether telling them was the right idea or not, given they're going to be heading on back to school in a week and will be sitting lessons with lovely 'Professor Dolohov,' murderer of Fabian and Gideon Prewett, once again. And will need to not say a single word, or treat him in any way differently.

I hope Ron got adequate acting practice preparing for that Revue of his.
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alt_sirius: (Dunno)
posted by [personal profile] alt_sirius at 03:20pm on 09/04/2013
It's sad, isn't it, how dealing with this lot gives us new appreciation for the torture we put most of you through when we were students. Minerva, Albus, Pomona, Poppy: We've said it before but sorry.

And Remus when Albia's fourteen I'll remind you that 'teenagers -- argh' pretty well sums things up.

Anyway, we've wrapped up the lesson on multiplying spells and we're about to try Apparating again, before lunch, if you want to come help supervise.
alt_alice: (lookingupangelic)
posted by [personal profile] alt_alice at 02:24am on 10/04/2013
Thank you for taking minutes, love.
alt_alice: (lookingupangelic)
Hermione, I was wondering if you had any thoughts about the meeting?

Obviously, things didn't go quite as planned, but it's our first attempt at having our two groups sit down and talk together. As a member of both, you are in a good position to give a bit of insight.
alt_hermione: Hermione does not approve (Disappointed)
Well, I'm not sure what you're asking, to be honest. You're right that things have always been somewhat wrong-footed with them, and I think some of them are still in doubt as to whether it even makes sense to join the Order (and some people want to be included right away, of course). They think you all are not very good at talking to Slytherins and they're blaming a lot of it on that, but I don't think that's what it is, really. It's that you all think of us as younger and less capable and less aware than we really are. Like how Mr Lupin said he should have stopped himself about Professor Dolohov sooner: They don't wish to be told what to do or who to like or how to think about it. It does seem a little worrisome sometimes when Sally-Anne it seems like someone might trust a professor with information that really could be going too far but I think perhaps more members of the ISS are more comfortable manipulating the adults around them in order to get what they need. It doesn't mean they'll fall for kindness and mistake it for goodness but it's also a case of--well, at Hogwarts there aren't many opportunities and sometimes we have to accept the help that's offered, no matter what the source.

Anyway, I think the other thing about it was that you asked us if we had questions or there were things we wanted to know, but then no one much wanted to share loads of answers. That sort of thing doesn't make people feel like there's much point in asking. I think mainly they still think you think of us like children, or that you've got some special way of knowing what's all right to tell and what isn't. I think if they're really going to join or want to join, they need to be equals in information and I know that's hard because some of them are your children, like Neville and Evelyn and Ron, but it's not like they don't already know the risks involved in joining the Order. Only then there's the question of what we do if some people want to join and others decide it's not for them.
alt_alice: (lookingupangelic)
That's certainly a fair impression for people in your group to have made -- and I hope that we can work on making a better effort in the future. We're rather set in our ways, and are so used to keeping our information close to the chest that it's bound to be rocky despite our best efforts. I think our natural tendency as a group is to be secretive and cautious, and that can be difficult to change. The fact that we're hosting the ISS in Grimmauld and had a joint meeting meeting is rather momentous, even if it might not seem that way.

One of the things that I can see we're finding difficult to handle properly is that there is some overlap between our two groups by necessity -- you, Terry, Fred, George, Lee -- and several others in the ISS wish to join our group as quickly as possible, which can certainly blur the lines at times. The Order works under a system of hierarchy, which is something we've had to do by necessity, and so I can see how it's hard to not just treat the people in the ISS as if they're essentially younger members of the Order and start passing down rules and regulations. I hoped that by establishing that the ISS is not just the Juniors that might help, and I've deliberately tried to establish some precedent to separate the groups and address the needs of the ISS in their own right instead of an extension of us, but I can see how we're not doing nearly as good a job as we could be.

We'll work on being more open in sharing information as well. I'm going to be rather dependent on having you let me know when we're holding back, as sometimes it can be hard to see when you're in the middle of it. Now that the floodgates have been opened, as it were, I see little reason to keep any secrets. I had hopes that our meeting with them would help move that in a positive direction, but we've obviously got more work to do.

I do want to say that I greatly value what your group is accomplishing at Hogwarts. The risks they're prepared to take are very real, and they've kept our secrets and earned our respect many times over. Age is a rather arbitrary measuring stick in times like these, and from what I can see, the ISS is collectively handling themselves with great responsibility and maturity. I know many of our group are still hesitant for full membership before specific birthdays, but we'll be re-addressing that.

You know how Frank and I lobbied for Neville this past summer. Quite a lot has happened since then, and I've come to understand more about the group as a whole, and I truly consider them equals regardless of whether they choose to join us ultimately or not.

I only hope we can show them that.

I had a rather... discouraging conversation with Miss Perks today. I tried to talk to her about how we were trying to get better at sharing information and extending support to her group instead of keeping them at arms length, but that old habits were hard to break. I don't know quite what I said to offend, but I fear I may have made her angrier.

I'll have to give a great deal more thought to what else we can do to move things forward.

Thank you.
alt_alice: (lookingupangelic)
Now that we've got our feet under us, I've been reconsidering Harry.

If he can give some excuse to go to Lazslo's to meet friends for a few hours and comes without security, he's welcome at Grimmauld.

Perhaps if he's cryptic about plotting against Umbridge, he'll be given more leeway to get away several days in a row.
alt_hermione: Hermione outside and unhappy (Sad)
Also I can't seem to Apparate at all now.

My ankle feels fine, though, so I can't think what could be wrong.
alt_alice: (straightforwardsmiley)
That's not entirely uncommon. A splinch early on in the process can make a person hesitant, which is understandable, but hesitancy doesn't quite work when it comes to Apparation.

If it helps at all, the fact that you were partially successful is a fairly promising sign of your capabilities. All the skills are there, you just can't hold back -- which probably means it's less in your body, and more in your head.
alt_alice: (lookingupangelic)
posted by [personal profile] alt_alice at 02:50am on 10/04/2013
How are you getting on, Bill?
alt_bill: (Disconcerted)
posted by [personal profile] alt_bill at 11:38am on 10/04/2013
Hmm.

Well. The Weasley family dynamics are mite bit interesting right now. Which is sort of like saying the dragon's a mite bit peckish.

I've been going back and forth with Fred in a private message, asking him to relay things to Ron. I told Fred that now that I've thought about it some more, I have to admit that he and George were right. The Institute does need to know this. Treating them like mushrooms--keeping them in the dark and feeding them dragon dung, in other words--isn't going to work.

I think that all this has accelerated the time when they're going to have to join the Order. But reminding Mum of Gideon and Fabian may make her dig in her heels even more. She's been having a hard time of it the last week or so.

And I desperately, desperately want to talk with Dad. I miss him so much as my sounding board.

Oh, and Fred threatened to dump another bucket of water on my head.
alt_alice: (lookingupangelic)
posted by [personal profile] alt_alice at 03:42am on 11/04/2013
If you show up with wet hair, I'll know why.

I can see how she's having a rough go of it, and how this could be difficult for many reasons -- Fabian and Gideon, Arthur's wishes, and concerns about Percy and Ginny as well.

They know nearly everything that we do, and they've kept our secrets. They're in just as much risk as anyone we've got working at the Ministry -- more with that awful woman in charge at Hogwarts. I see no point in grasping onto what little they don't know, or continuing to make artificial boundaries that only serve to increase the distance between us and make it harder for them to stay safe.
alt_alice: (lookingupangelic)
posted by [personal profile] alt_alice at 03:45am on 11/04/2013
I miss him too, love.

Very much.

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